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Polyamoury Hits the Big Screen

 

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A trailer for the upcoming movie (Fall 2017) Professor Marston and The Wonder Women has been released and it looks like it will deal honestly with the polyamorous lifestyle of Marston, his wife Elizabeth and their shared partner Olive Byrne who together were the creators of Wonder Woman. Even by today's liberal standards their family arrangement was quite radical.

I wonder if/how the release of this movie, so soon after Gal Godot's very successful Wonder Woman, will have an impact on the public's perception of Wonder Woman as a beloved icon and hero for girls and women.  If it is well received it might be an event that starts larger discussion in society about polyamoury and female bisexuality. 

 

 

The trailer looks great and I'm really looking forward to seeing it! 

https://www.themarysue.com/omg-i-cant-even-with-how-excited-i-am-for-professor-marston-and-the-wonder-women/

 


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@Hungry Me, too. The director is Angela Robinson, a lesbian who has written and directed films and TV show episodes with lesbian themes including D.E.B.S. and the L-Word, so I'm extra hopeful the movie will reflect the tone of the trailer. 

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@celeste teal I never rated the L Word if we're talking about creative vision or writing. I'm pretty specific lol. Some times I think I should of chosen a different career if I'm gonna be this critical. :P For me I find that too many people place emphasis on the LGBT themes trying to get it right . Rather than it is human, is it believable, does it flow, is there presence? I hope these are things Robinson understands in context to a real picture that can really draw on history for richness.

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Thanks @celeste teal - the film looks amazing!  I hadn't heard about it, and was wondering if someone might take up their story... 

I was just in the US, where everyone (even people who don't ordinarily watch superhero films) was talking about Wonder Woman...

Professor Marsten & the Wonder Women might not get a wide release, due to its depiction of a polyamorous lifestyle, but if it does, considering the current political climate in the US, it could result in the status of Wonder Woman as a beloved icon being tarnished... I really do hope not, but sadly, it's clear that could happen...While there could be a larger discussion in cosmopolitan society (among liberals mainly in or near cities) about polyamory and female bisexuality, Marsten will probably be viewed as a pervert by the conservative right, which is still seriously homophobic and persistently trying to overturn hard-won gay rights and gay marriage, and intolerant of anything that doesn't conform to their own expectations...with the result that they will instigate a boycott of anything to do with Wonder Woman... 

There is an American-Canadian Netflix series called You, Me, Her, set in Portland, Oregon, which depicts a polyamorous relationship between a married couple in their 30s and a 25-year-old woman, whom they initially hire as an escort to invigorate their sex life. While it can be a bit silly, it does explore some serious themes, such as the prejudicial reactions of their friends and neighbours, and how they attempt to pressure them to conform to societal conventions. I have watched the first season, and have to admit that I kinda like it... :) To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't caused any controversy, but then again, it's on Netflix, which tends to be pretty fringy and sometimes downright exploitive, and the show doesn't deal with a beloved cultural icon...

Well, fingers crossed...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@BenedettaC My fingers are crossed too. An additional factor that will be present is that the DC movie Justice League, which will feature Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot) prominently, is scheduled to also be released this autumn. Both films could be in the theatres concurrently and that might shine extra light on Professor Marston and the Wonder Women for good or ill. 

I wonder what William, Elizabeth and Olive would have thought about the timing of this movie so soon after Wonder Woman's very successful debut. In their day keeping their family details secret was absolutely necessary, but now there is a chance that their family, shown honestly and sympathetically, could make them, and especially Elizabeth and Olive, heroes and role models for today's young and aspiring women. 

Thanks for the reference to You, Me and Her. I'll put it on my list of must-watch-soon shows. :)

Edited to add: I wonder if the conversation about this movie will lead to a consideration of adding P to LGBTQIA? 

 

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On 7/21/2017 at 10:34 AM, Hungry said:

Rather than it is human, is it believable, does it flow, is there presence? I hope these are things Robinson understands in context to a real picture that can really draw on history for richness.

@Hungry I hope so too. I am optimistic that she will get a couple of important things right: the atmosphere surrounding all of the main characters was one of militant first wave feminism, and the erotic relationship between the women had a degree of independence from William. I'm not sure a typical Hollywood director would portray these as convincingly as Robinson could.

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@celeste teal - Gosh, another film starring Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, and I haven't even seen the first one yet! (I don't usually attend superhero films, but will make an exception in this case...ha, ha, ha!)

I doubt that William, Elizabeth and Olive could ever have imagined that their relationship would be publicly acknowledged and discussed in the mainstream press, books or a film. Whatever the knock-on effects, that is still progress!

Regarding adding P to the already cumbersome LGBTQIA, a lot of people can't even remember the current configuration or what the additional letters mean, so I think we need a new way of representing ourselves...!

 

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Now that I think about it, @celeste teal , do you know about the Canadian television series Lost Girl? It's the supernatural tale of an extremely hot bisexual succubus named Bo (played by Anna Silk) and the Fae world she inhabits , which is populated by all kinds of creatures from folklore and mythology. It has received critical acclaim for its representation of bisexuality and sexuality in general.

Here's a quote from it's Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Girl): 

'In the Lost Girl universe, sexuality is a natural, judgement-free affirmation of life. The sex-positive series has been praised by critics and fans for its seamless portrayal of amorous desire and groundbreaking representation of bisexuality — and for not labeling sexual orientations shown in episodes as straight, bisexual, lesbian, or gay.'

597682e605c1e_Lostgirl.jpg.2290efbd447cbc690d001ba1a527a776.jpgimages.jpeg.08d314d4d64ec0e02f0eb66da6d846f7.jpeg A scorching-hot succubus

images-3.jpeg.283e7259bb0fc3b6faa91ca9690537f7.jpeg Lauren, Bo and Tyson  images-5.jpeg.af403e88f5c7812148adcb9fe9b08962.jpeg Tamsin, the gorgeous Valkyrie, who is also in love with Bo...

Oh, poor, dear Bo...whatever will she do? It's tough being a poly succubus!  

 

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2 hours ago, BenedettaC said:

Now that I think about it, @celeste teal , do you know about the Canadian television series Lost Girl? It's the supernatural tale of an extremely hot bisexual succubus named Bo (played by Anna Silk) and the Fae world she inhabits , which is populated by all kinds of creatures from folklore and mythology. It has received critical acclaim for its representation of bisexuality and sexuality in general.

Here's a quote from it's Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Girl): 

'In the Lost Girl universe, sexuality is a natural, judgement-free affirmation of life. The sex-positive series has been praised by critics and fans for its seamless portrayal of amorous desire and groundbreaking representation of bisexuality — and for not labeling sexual orientations shown in episodes as straight, bisexual, lesbian, or gay.'

597682e605c1e_Lostgirl.jpg.2290efbd447cbc690d001ba1a527a776.jpgimages.jpeg.08d314d4d64ec0e02f0eb66da6d846f7.jpeg A scorching-hot succubus

images-3.jpeg.283e7259bb0fc3b6faa91ca9690537f7.jpeg Lauren, Bo and Tyson  images-5.jpeg.af403e88f5c7812148adcb9fe9b08962.jpeg Tamsin, the gorgeous Valkyrie, who is also in love with Bo...

Oh, poor, dear Bo...whatever will she do? It's tough being a poly succubus!  

 

This show is my guilty pleasure. I love it, but I have only admitted to my husband to watching it (and I guess all of sybi's now :)) I don't hide it from friends because of bisexual themes, tho, but because the acting is atrocious and the writing is pretty bad too.

But the actors are hot. And it's true, that it's probably one of the very few pieces of popular culture with a positive portrayal (with no explanation necessary) of bisexuality. I think this show actually had a lot to do with me 'remembering' I used to be bisexual once upon a time.

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4 hours ago, Ona said:

This show is my guilty pleasure. I love it, but I have only admitted to my husband to watching it (and I guess all of sybi's now :)) I don't hide it from friends because of bisexual themes, tho, but because the acting is atrocious and the writing is pretty bad too.

But the actors are hot. And it's true, that it's probably one of the very few pieces of popular culture with a positive portrayal (with no explanation necessary) of bisexuality. I think this show actually had a lot to do with me 'remembering' I used to be bisexual once upon a time.

I know what you mean about the acting and writing...ha, ha, ha...but there is plenty to distract the viewer from those...or at least to help us be forgiving...

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20 hours ago, BenedettaC said:

Now that I think about it, @celeste teal , do you know about the Canadian television series Lost Girl? It's the supernatural tale of an extremely hot bisexual succubus named Bo (played by Anna Silk) and the Fae world she inhabits , which is populated by all kinds of creatures from folklore and mythology. It has received critical acclaim for its representation of bisexuality and sexuality in general.

@BenedettaC I am familiar with the title of the series but that is it. It sounds very interesting, especially its' portrayal of sexuality. I'll  add it to my list of things to watch. Thanks for the reference!

 

17 hours ago, Ona said:

) I don't hide it from friends because of bisexual themes, tho, but because the acting is atrocious and the writing is pretty bad too.

@Ona Sigh, apart from the very positive sexuality and hot characters it sounds like a typical Canadian television series. I'll give it a try though :)

 

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@celeste teal - However bad the script and acting, the story lines are usually very interesting, with lots of folklore and mythology woven into them (although, while watching, I did often think about how I could have written them better...)... At any rate, it's a fun ride, and shouldn't be taken too seriously...

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I would actually put a tentative point in favor of the writing on Lost Girl because they seem to handle pacing reasonably well (granted I've only watched the first two seasons so far, perhaps it gets worse as the show proceeds)

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I saw the trailer in my youtube recommendations :D and watched it. I would watch it. I don't know if they screen it in France. If not, I'll look for it when it's available on streaming

I watched "Lost Girl", it had lots of plotholes and got worse with later seasons but I enjoyed it for the positive portrayal of bisexuality

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It's 87/80 on rottentomatoes, seems not bad

and it's released in France at the end of February. Wait, what???:blink: I'm not gonna wait THAT long 

it was the same with "Carol" last year!

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11 hours ago, bluebell said:

It's 87/80 on rottentomatoes, seems not bad

and it's released in France at the end of February. Wait, what???:blink: I'm not gonna wait THAT long 

it was the same with "Carol" last year!

Oh no! Maybe you'll just have to visit us in North America then.

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haha, thanks, that will be too pricey with all the visa costs and my lot is not viewed well by the US government right now aaaah :) 

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Just now, ChemFem said:

Oh no! Maybe you'll just have to visit us in North America then.

Yes! We'll have a Shybi screening in.....(a suitable city in North America) for bluebell! 

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I've just seen some clips on youtube. I want to watch it too while waiting for "You me her" :D 

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I only watched this a few days ago. Well written, thoughtfully shot. I know what I took from it but I do wonder what audiences in general felt?

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On 2/4/2018 at 7:42 PM, Hungry said:

I only watched this a few days ago. Well written, thoughtfully shot. I know what I took from it but I do wonder what audiences in general felt?

That's a great question. @Hungry There was a lot to process in their story - same-sex romance, polyamory, B&D and radical feminism which all contributed to the creation of a pop-culture icon who has recently been brought back to glorious life by Gal Gadot and Patty Jenkins. Their story (albeit somewhat modified for the big screen) might be too much even for today's relatively enlightened age.

I think it's a movie that people in general will be more comfortable viewing at home via DVD/Blu-ray/Netflix etc. and those people's reactions will probably reveal how the overall public feels about it. I wonder how one could measure that?  

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