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Captain Marvel's Sexuality

celeste teal

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Life is strange. The above illustration by a fan-artist shows Captain Marvel (Brie Larson) romantically carrying Valkyrie (Tessa Thompson). Brie tweeted positively about it to Tessa and then Tessa tweeted approval back and then hundreds of twitter fans joined in with their approval. Will Marvel/Disney portray them as lovers in a future movie? There will be lots of opportunity as apparently Brie has signed on for a 7 movie arc and will replace Iron Man as a cornerstone superhero in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 

https://glamourfame.com/brie-larson-wants-lesbian-romance-captain-marvel

 

SPOILER BELOW about the recent CAPTAIN MARVEL movie:

 

 

 

The friendship between Carol Danvers (Brie Larson) and Maria Rambeau (Lashana Lynch) while not overtly romantic in the movie seemed to be a very strong one, and it seemed as if they, and Maria's daughter Monica were a family. Was the portrayal of a family with two adult females Marvel/Disney's way of preparing future audiences for a later revelation that Carol and Maria are lovers as well as friends? 

https://io9.gizmodo.com/brie-larson-believes-carol-and-maria-are-the-great-love-1832908365

 

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Hmm... Would Marvel and Disney ever actually come out as gay positive, and risk the Wrath of the Homophobes? (I can just imagine the reaction in Trumpland, with comic book and DVD burnings staged across the country, like something out of Fahrenheit 451...) I sincerely doubt it, but like you @celeste teal , I live in hope! 

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There are many romances that were formed on movie sets. Maybe this will be one - life imitating art, which leads to art imitating life. :)

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I think there is plenty of room for hope.  For the studios, yes it comes down to money.  A cost-benefit analysis.  They will look at the "costs" in raising the ire of homophobes.  And then they will look at the benefits of pleasing liberal segments of society.  And somebody somewhere along the line is going to hand those studio execs some analysis of the growing trend in attitudes among young people:  A growing trend of tolerance and acceptance, all the way to outright approval, of same-sex relationships.  Then factor in "target audience" for super hero movies (obviously, young people)......I have a lot of hope indeed, as I think the monetary cost-benefit analysis will very soon be tipping in our direction.  :)

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On 4/8/2019 at 10:39 AM, CallistoDidNotWin said:

I think there is plenty of room for hope.  For the studios, yes it comes down to money.  A cost-benefit analysis.  They will look at the "costs" in raising the ire of homophobes.  And then they will look at the benefits of pleasing liberal segments of society.  And somebody somewhere along the line is going to hand those studio execs some analysis of the growing trend in attitudes among young people:  A growing trend of tolerance and acceptance, all the way to outright approval, of same-sex relationships.  Then factor in "target audience" for super hero movies (obviously, young people)......I have a lot of hope indeed, as I think the monetary cost-benefit analysis will very soon be tipping in our direction.  :)

I think there probably was quite a bit of cost-benefit analysis with this particular movie because the stakes for Disney/Marvel were so high. Captain Marvel is going to be one of their premier super-heroes going forward and will be an integral part of the MCU which represents huge future profits for them. Also they are in direct "female-hero" competition with Wonder Woman who has a gigantic 77 year head start as 'the" pop-culture superhero that girls and women can admire and be inspired by.  

Wonder Woman was conceived as a feminist superhero but that message has been watered down over the decades and even in the recent 2017 movie DC was careful by giving many of the supporting roles to men, and by alluding to a heterosexual romance for Diana. I thought Disney/Marvel were brilliant in out flanking Wonder Woman in feminist/progressive "space" by including the appearance of an all-female family which went right up to the edge of portraying CM as lesbian without being overt. I found it easy to simply assume they were a lesbian family, and I suspect that might be the case for many others with liberal/progressive views.  

I don't think that all Hollywood projects are driven on a purely monetary basis; sometimes they make movies to advance cultural values and issues they feel are important to promote. Take Professor Marston and the Wonder Women for example which featured female bi-sexuality, polyamory and BDSM.  It only made $ 2 million worldwide and most probably lost $ 10-20 million (I couldn't find production costs). They must have known it was going to be a money loser at the outset but made it anyway. 

You make a good point about the youth of the target audience for CM and I share your optimism that the cost-benefit analysis will soon tip towards overt positive depictions of CM (and/or others) in our favour. 

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I’m glad I wasn’t the only one wondering. I definitely felt a family vibe and was waiting for that to potentially be disclosed towards the end. They just left it as weirdly platonic....I also felt like Rambeau was giving her a lot of piercing stares.... as a woman inching towards the right hand side of the Kinsey scale.... I was feeling some les vibes in most of their scenes. I think it would be safe to let them at least kiss in a scene.  Given that Marvel has a lot of male fans, I don’t see any of those guys being too offended by a little lesbian action ;-) I think that would be safer and more well received by the base than male/male. I’m just thinking of the male hardcore marvel fans that live in my house. 

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Hollywood is still Hollywood no matter what angle you look at it, however they are becoming a little less reserved in their portrayal of predominantly gay characters. Although they won't come right out and say that they're gay, you just get that vibe, especially when certain looks or things are done or said.

I know from my own experience with my family, mainly my sister, that she will be very outraged if they do just flat out make a film with  a lesbian theme or even implied lesbian theme. She would be very upset and would let the world know about it. Unfortunately where we live here in the south in what they call the "bible" belt, there's still a lot of homophobia and people treat it like it's some kind of disease that's going to infect them if they hang around it too long.

Anyhow I'm glad to see that they are moving towards putting more bisexual or lesbian characters in the films and television shows that are being released now. I hope that it helps to change the mentality of those that are so homophobic.

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