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    I totally get all of that. I actually get bugged by my coworkers because I "going to regret not doing stuff when I'm older" and because I "need to live a little". It's like, I enjoy my hobbies even if they are quiet ones. Being on the go and around people all the time burns me out and besides, even when I do get bit by the let's-go-do-something bug, I can't find anything to do where I live
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    Sympathy & Empathy! My gf and I are similar. Other people ask what we did on the weekend and when they hear we sat around reading or boardgaming there is a sense of "oh that's not very exciting" when it's one of the best ways to pass a weekend ever (and no crowds or new people to cope with!) Let alone after a big weekend of putting on an outgoing face, then needing a day of quiet calm just to get back to being myself.
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    @celeste teal - I see what you're saying, but what else can you call a polyamorous arrangement that involves three women and one man, whatever their beliefs and dispositions? Perhaps I'm being too harsh, but you know, if it walks like a duck, it usually is one... In fact, if the women weren't actually engaged in lesbian relationships between them, then it may have been more like polygamy. But, of course, you certainly know far more than I do...so what I'm saying is really just a gut reaction to outward appearances. I'll try to find a little time to take a look at the book...
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    @BenedettaC On the surface it might look like a harem but that kind of old-school patriarchal arrangement doesn't fit the facts of everything that William and those around him believed in, including his family, Elizabeth, and Olive and her family (her mother Edith Byrne and aunt Margaret Sanger were staunch feminists). I don't think a male led harem situation would have any chance of survival given the presence of all the strong women in William's life. If any personality was dominant in the family I would guess it was Elizabeth. Perhaps Elizabeth was reluctant to take the plunge into the new kind of family arrangement they were imagining and William's ultimatum was calculated to overcome her resistance. In any case if you read the book I'd love to hear more of your comments!
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    @celeste teal - I'll take a look... I'm wondering how this information is documented... (Yes, I'm a stickler for references...) It's disappointing to hear that Elizabeth was issued with an ultimatum by her husband. Do ultimatums and love ever really go together? I think not... It sounds like the situation just amounted to William having a harem - which, of course, isn't modern at all...just the same old, same old - patriarchal entitlement and the objectification of women.
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    @BenedettaC The idea that it was William who brought Olive into the family was presented in The Secret History of Wonder Woman as an ultimatum that William gave to Elizabeth, I much prefer the romantic version that Angela Robinson created for the movie. The quotes below are from Chapter 15 - Happiness in Marriage. Also, I just found that there is an online version of Secret History at archive.org https://archive.org/stream/TheSecretHistoryOfWonderWoman/TheSecretHistoryOfWonderWoman-JillLepore_djvu.txt
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    @celeste teal - My, oh my... What busy bees they were! The question is who was the real ‘babe magnet’ - William or Elizabeth? As we so often see here on Shy, it’s a bisexual woman in the context of a heterosexual marriage who is usually the driving force behind such threesomes and triads. Men don’t usually bring a second woman into their marriage - most women (even very educated, liberal, open-minded ones like Elizabeth) simply won’t tolerate that. Why do you think that it was the other way around with with Olive?
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    @BenedettaC Thank you for your very detailed and thoughtful comments. I haven't read Wonder Woman: The Complete History - The Life and Times of the Amazon Princess (2000) either but I have read Jill Lepore's book The Secret History of Wonder Woman Paperback (2015) which has a large portion focusing on the Marston family background and was probably also consulted in the making of the movie. Lepore doesn't come right out and say that Olive and Elizabeth had a lesbian relationship independent of William but she does provide some context where the reader could infer that they could have had, and probably did have a sexual relationship within a polyamory arrangement. One thing the movie doesn't show but was an important part of the Marston family was that Elizabeth and William had an ongoing polyamory relationship with another woman, Marjorie W. Huntley, both before and after they met Olive. She was considered a part of their "family" but didn't live with them full-time. Marjorie is the woman on the left, Elizabeth is on the right and Olive is standing to the side of William. My feeling is that Angela Robinson fictionalized the start of the lesbian relationship between Olive and Elizabeth to make it more appealing as a romantic story for today's audience and to imbue it with a feminist message of women's sexual agency. In reality I think they probably did have sexual relations but that came after a relationship between William and Olive was established. I can understand Christie Marston's objections as something very personal to her - her grandparents - were used in a motion picture story that is at least partly fictitious. On the other hand I believe that any intimate details of the relationship between Olive, Elizabeth, William (and Marjorie) would have been very closely guarded secrets that were kept from everyone else, especially their children and grandchildren. So Christie is being truthful, but she may not know the whole truth. I think Angela saw the Marston story, ambiguous as it is, as a great vehicle to tell a feminist love story, a modern fable, about how a novel family arrangement could allow women greater agency over their lives and greater potential for sexual expression. I agree with this, and appreciated the depiction of sexism but I did find it very cringy to watch.
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    So, @celeste teal , here goes... I'll begin by saying that I enjoyed Professor Marston and the Wonder Women, because there are so few mainstream films that feature polyamorous relationships, or lesbian ones for that matter, and fewer still about D/s relationships of any kind, and I have to admit that I found it very sexy... I loved the academic context, and all the period detail, and would describe it as quite a sumptuous production, with memorable moments of eroticism... I also appreciated the candid way the societal treatment of women was presented (e.g. Elizabeth’s inability to acquire a PhD from Harvard due to a rule prohibiting women from filing dissertations there, and Olive Byrne’s fiancée’s treatment of her - his ‘future wife’ - as his property, assuming that he had the right to act as her moral guardian, and speak for her, and tell her what to do, and with whom she could socialize.) The reality of sexism is often glossed over in period dramas, so kudos to the writer/director, Angela Robinson, for drawing attention to them. However, on the basis of material I've read since viewing the film, it appears that the story is a highly fictionalized account of the relationship among the three protagonists, and between the two women, and includes lots of conjecture, because none of the three kept a diary detailing their relationship or exploits, or provided any other kind of account to a third party, so we really cannot know what actually transpired among them in private. The fact that Robinson is an out lesbian, and had worked on other lesbian/gay-themed dramas previously, undoubtedly contributed to the polyamorous and lesbian relationships having a more realistic quality than if they had been depicted through the gaze of a male director, which is definitely a plus...but, of course, dramatizing the lives of real people who lived in the recent past is always a bit perilous (although the law states that the dead can't be libelled). I don't think the film is really meant to be taken as a true story (although some of the promotional material indicates that it is), but as more of a 'what if?' kind of depiction, that proposes the polyamory/lesbianism theory, with hints of D/s... It's been suggested in the press that Robinson was inspired by the works of the author Les Daniels, whose book Wonder Woman: The Complete History - The Life and Times of the Amazon Princess (2000) supposedly puts forth the polyamory theory, based on William Marston’s academic interests (his DISC Theory, etc.)... (I haven't read the book myself, so I'm not entirely sure about that.) She seems to have let her imagination run wild, with very entertaining results. I would argue that there's no harm in that, although the film has been heavily criticized by William and Elizabeth Marston's granddaughter, Christie Marston, who claims that the polyamorous relationship depicted among William, Elizabeth and Olive, and the lesbian relationship between the two women, are totally fictitious, and that Robinson made no attempt whatsoever to contact and consult the Marston family. I guess it isn’t surprising that she’s a bit teed off, considering the stigma that's still attached to polyamory and D/s, and also, for that matter, lesbianism, because the Wonder Woman franchise, and the Marston family's long-term deal with DC Comics, are worth millions of dollars (and possibly billions). Associating the creator of WW with an unconventional, potentially subversive lifestyle including polyamory, lesbianism and D/s practices probably won’t sit well with middle America, to whom Hollywood kowtows, hypocritical though that is. Further, let's face it, despite recent legal and societal gains such as gay marriage, films such as Wonder Woman, in which an island of Amazons is depicted as being asexual (except for a couple of subtle hints that some might be lesbians), or actually heterosexual but without the agency (i.e. men) to express it, show us what DC Comics and the film’s distributor, Warner Bros. Pictures, really think of us - that lesbians are considered (by middle America) to be sexual deviants, and therefore pornographic, so are unacceptable to portray in a film that will be viewed by children and so-called 'conservatives' (i.e. the ignorant, bigoted and intolerant). But I digress...so, back to the film... It’s interesting that in some early scenes William is depicted as being rather lecherous toward Olive, while she has no real sexual/romantic interest in him, and other scenes indicate that she really just wanted to be with his wife, Rebecca Marston, but eventually gave in to being with both in a polyamorous relationship, so that she could be with her. (At one point, she tells Rebecca that she is in love with her, not William, so that seems quite clear.) I would be interested to know if that was true, or just the viewpoint of the writer...
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    AMAZING voice!!
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    Hey @Ice you sound amazing! I really enjoyed listening. You have an excellent voice. Thanks for posting
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    (The other cat will be fine. Probably)
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    Just eat a flake and give Bambam a kiss
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    Hey your welcome to chat with me anytime..
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    I'm sorry to hear you are having an awful time. I know from experience how some ladies on this site can make you feel like you are nothing. No one on here is worth you feeling like you are nothing. I almost left shy's recently because of a few ladies. They sent me some pretty awful private messages in that slack group, they had me questioning everything about myself (which is why I left). On here, I can at least block them from messaging me. I just wanted to say that don't let a few ladies ruin the good times you have on here. Hope everything will be okay with you.