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Does the homophobia ever end?

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In australia we recently passed marriage equality but we still have biphobia and homophobia in our society. Maybe it will change in the next few yrs

One of our well known tennis stars margaret court has been very vocal in being against same sex couples and lgbti. Its not just about being against ssm. She has compared same sex attracted people to people being affected  by the devil and needing conversion therapy , she has compared transgenders to the devil once again and being gender fluid to hitlers agenda. Its quite offensive and the more people speak our against it others speak up saying its their right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. If the same was said about any group there would be outrage. 

She is saying they are going after the young ones. I think they meaning "gay lobby" and next mothers day/fathers day will be cancelled. Obviously absolute nonsense. Never happened in any other country. Now she wants to boycott the australian open because tennis is full of lesbians and ssm passed. 

 

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.sbs.com.au/news/they-re-after-our-young-ones-margaret-court-renews-attack-on-gay-lobby&ved=2ahUKEwj8hrjej9TYAhVIx7wKHaEaCnIQFjAIegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw3MTIc7eFdyb9ODvakm7zPp

 

Billy jean king who supported naming a stadium after her many decades ago has now backtracked.

I just dont understand this level.of homophobia by a celebrity in a country where majority agree with ssm. Even if she is now a minister of religion.

It worries me that people like this could influence others. I dont see how it affects their lives if some people decide to be in a same sex relationship 

When will.being against same sex attractions/couples be similar to racism, and religious attraction? I see little backlash compared to for example racist incidents like the african boy in the green hoodie with the monkey signage. Celebrities came out against that and the brand apologises.

 

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5314701/h-m-remove-monkey-hoodie-racist-photo-boy/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwjqsKT6jtTYAhUMhbwKHaFqDa0QiJQBCE8wCg&usg=AOvVaw0z0qKVWQSpSeonJ1f5UEBP&ampcf=1

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I hadn't seen this topic come through but I'm not on here much nowadays. 

I haven't heard of her before and surprised no one has commented here on it. 

 

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Yup queer people are exactly like Hitler, that's why he put them in concentration camps. You can't make this up. I hope nobody has targeted you specifically but I imagine this doesn't make you feel any safer. Hang in there; the world is becoming a more hospitable place for us.

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I’ve lived with biphobic comments from neighbours for the last four years. I have had to endure such comments as ‘ people like me shouldn’t be allowed to marry’ and ‘people like me shouldn’t have children’ and much more vile comments about sexual practices. I have also been subject to sexual harassment in such public places as the local swimming pool and when leaving a dance exercise class. However it has died down somewhat from neighbours at least and I don’t know if that is the arm of the law or that time has educated them somewhat but it has left me psychologically damaged.

I am surprised that a female tennis player has such radical views, has she never heard of Martina? ......These views are simply unbalanced and it’s sad that people concern themselves with other people,s life choices so much. I dont know if it will ever end. There are laws against homophobia but I guess they can’t change people’s feelings.

I agree with ChemFem things are changing but there will always be radical views about anything and all we can do is avoid these people and keep ourselves positive in our own views and outlook on life and all it’s diversity.

 

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5 hours ago, myladylove said:

I’ve lived with biphobic comments from neighbours for the last four years. I have had to endure such comments as ‘ people like me shouldn’t be allowed to marry’ and ‘people like me shouldn’t have children’ and much more vile comments about sexual practices. I have also been subject to sexual harassment in such public places as the local swimming pool and when leaving a dance exercise class. However it has died down somewhat from neighbours at least and I don’t know if that is the arm of the law or that time has educated them somewhat but it has left me psychologically damaged.

I am surprised that a female tennis player has such radical views, has she never heard of Martina? ......These views are simply unbalanced and it’s sad that people concern themselves with other people,s life choices so much. I dont know if it will ever end. There are laws against homophobia but I guess they can’t change people’s feelings.

I agree with ChemFem things are changing but there will always be radical views about anything and all we can do is avoid these people and keep ourselves positive in our own views and outlook on life and all it’s diversity.

 

I have said this before in other threads but your neighbors are vile and I'm sorry you've had to deal with their harassment. Given an address I'd be happy to mail them a fine specimen of Arizona cactus, with which they are free to engage in the "unnatural practices" they are apparently so concerned about.:nono:

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No the homophobia will never end.I have said it again,people are scared of what they don't understand or of what they don't want to understand because of the illusion they have convinced themselves they live in.A man, a woman, children, religion and everything different than that is not normal. And fear is not possible to stop.

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13 hours ago, Vampire said:

I hadn't seen this topic come through but I'm not on here much nowadays. 

I haven't heard of her before and surprised no one has commented here on it. 

 

She was active during the marriage equality campaign active on the no side. 

Now she has come up on the news as players who previously supported naming a stadium after her backtrab because of her comments

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No, unfortunately there will always be homophobic, biphobic, etc people out there. Times will change and there will be less of them and I think in general there are less, but the ones that are still around are just hate filled asshats. 

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We are living in changing times. But those changes take many generations. In that sense the biphobia, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, racism will never end, because us lot will all be dead...

But where we are now is very different from 20 or 40 years ago. Take heart that now the hatemongers have to whip up more of a frenzy than they ever used to, and fewer people than ever take them seriously.  Five years ago when same-sex marriage was coming in over here we had the same kind of nonsense about the effects it would have as you'll have been hearing in Australia. It's ebbing away as people can plainly see that nothing has changed and there are no more earthquakes than there were before.

There'll still be homophobia, biphobia and all that. But more people move from being asshats to having a clue than go in the other direction. Over time we win.

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On 13/01/2018 at 10:21 PM, myladylove said:

I’ve lived with biphobic comments from neighbours for the last four years. I have had to endure such comments as ‘ people like me shouldn’t be allowed to marry’ and ‘people like me shouldn’t have children’ and much more vile comments about sexual practices. I have also been subject to sexual harassment in such public places as the local swimming pool and when leaving a dance exercise class. However it has died down somewhat from neighbours at least and I don’t know if that is the arm of the law or that time has educated them somewhat but it has left me psychologically damaged.

I am surprised that a female tennis player has such radical views, has she never heard of Martina? ......These views are simply unbalanced and it’s sad that people concern themselves with other people,s life choices so much. I dont know if it will ever end. There are laws against homophobia but I guess they can’t change people’s feelings.

I agree with ChemFem things are changing but there will always be radical views about anything and all we can do is avoid these people and keep ourselves positive in our own views and outlook on life and all it’s diversity.

 

Sorry to hear about your experience  myladylove. Your neighbours sound  terrible. They really need to introspect into why they are so frustrated anf miserable they need to put down others. It says more about them then you. Ive often found that most homophobes and biphobes have a lot of unresolved issues. Some might even have same sex feelings they repress and compensate by being against it.

What about their sexual practices? Half of the dehumanising porn out there is heterosexual in nature. How do heterosexual and bisexual practices differ so much? As for marriage what about all the bachelor/bachelorette/ married at first sight shows with straight couples just shows how serious marriage is? What about britney spears 24 hr marriage? Or the many homophobes who have been through multiple divorces and are now pointing the finger at others? What about domestic violence and assault? More common in hetero relations.

What about all the heterosexual family children who have been neglected, sent to child protection services or been abused? Seen plenty of those children not a single one from a same sex couple.

With children same sex couples go through a lot to achieve them they are less likely to abuse and neglect them.

How well does the catholic church or other religious institutions look after children? Child abuse cases have been found to be covered up especially in my country.

Outcomes for children are the same regardless of sexual orientation of parents.

I think they might need chemfems cactus. 

Sorry to hear about the sexual harassment most likely from hypocrites  if u ever want to talk about the effect on u me and my gf are happy to hear u out. I am also a psychologist and she has worked in mental health.

 

She has heard of martina and was friends with billie jean king. Billie jean king probably ended it when she heard of her homophobia. She says tennis is full of lesbians and now its more widespread with the old leading the young. Quite vile views.

 

You are right. I try to stick to positive things but just annoys me when such people get news space and people justifying their views that she is old and entitled to her views. Wouldnt work with any other group though

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On 14/01/2018 at 3:26 AM, ChemFem said:

I have said this before in other threads but your neighbors are vile and I'm sorry you've had to deal with their harassment. Given an address I'd be happy to mail them a fine specimen of Arizona cactus, with which they are free to engage in the "unnatural practices" they are apparently so concerned about.:nono:

What annoys me most is their hypocrisy and their cherry picking? They forget verses of their religious books asking them to be non judgmental and non hypocritical. 

Please do send then a cactus so they can explore "unnatur practices"

Someone told me the same that same sex couples are unnatural while i was convinving them to vote yes to marriage equality.

I wanted to ask them "do you think clothes, cars, mobile phones, laptops and medication is natural. How many species have that?" 

 

Most likely they have frustrated and miserable lives.

Sometimes i wish to be in a heterosexual relationship so i can change views about lgbt through my heterosexual privilege.

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On 14/01/2018 at 3:57 AM, kairi said:

No the homophobia will never end.I have said it again,people are scared of what they don't understand or of what they don't want to understand because of the illusion they have convinced themselves they live in.A man, a woman, children, religion and everything different than that is not normal. And fear is not possible to stop.

I guess racism,sexism hasnt ended so why would homophobia. 

A lot of homophobes use religion as their excuse even if they were to know an lgbt person for many yrs. 

Thanks for your reply

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On 14/01/2018 at 6:48 AM, SakuraGirl said:

No, unfortunately there will always be homophobic, biphobic, etc people out there. Times will change and there will be less of them and I think in general there are less, but the ones that are still around are just hate filled asshats. 

Thanks for your views.

 I agree times are changing and getting better. I just wish they would focus on their lives rather than focus on being against gay people. 

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On 15/01/2018 at 7:04 AM, softfruit said:

We are living in changing times. But those changes take many generations. In that sense the biphobia, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, racism will never end, because us lot will all be dead...

But where we are now is very different from 20 or 40 years ago. Take heart that now the hatemongers have to whip up more of a frenzy than they ever used to, and fewer people than ever take them seriously.  Five years ago when same-sex marriage was coming in over here we had the same kind of nonsense about the effects it would have as you'll have been hearing in Australia. It's ebbing away as people can plainly see that nothing has changed and there are no more earthquakes than there were before.

There'll still be homophobia, biphobia and all that. But more people move from being asshats to having a clue than go in the other direction. Over time we win.

Thanks softfruit. I know you are right. I just wish people would see discrimination towards same sex couples the same way they see racism or discrimination towards people of minority religions. With biphobia we have an extra element. People question why i would want to date a girl when i can date a guy. Im sure they didnt asked interracial couples why they are dating each other when they could choose someone of the same race for an easier life.

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Yup - they don't ask that of them... now. Go back a couple of generations though.  We are a few decades behind (and the gays perhaps a decade in front of us!) but we're still another wave crashing its way up the beach.

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I actually did get asked why I was dating an Asian man when I could date a white man at one point, and that was only a few years ago. Prejudices of all sorts are more prevalent than we would like to think, but we are strong enough to keep fighting them.

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On ‎23‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 0:36 PM, softfruit said:

Yup - they don't ask that of them... now. Go back a couple of generations though.  We are a few decades behind (and the gays perhaps a decade in front of us!) but we're still another wave crashing its way up the beach.

That's true. Very religious people bother me. They seem to want respect for all their beliefs but can't give the same back.. I was having a debate with someone against gay marriage and she said sex and romance with same gender is a psychological disorder and there are medications and therapy for that. She lives overseas and is originally from a strict religious country. I was really angry at that. The president of the world psychiatric association is gay and conversion therapy/quackery to change sexual orientation is harmful. I don't even know how people can think like this in the modern world.

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On ‎24‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 11:44 AM, ChemFem said:

I actually did get asked why I was dating an Asian man when I could date a white man at one point, and that was only a few years ago. Prejudices of all sorts are more prevalent than we would like to think, but we are strong enough to keep fighting them.

That is sad. How far are we going to go with categories? It's a never ending circle. Someone recently told me same gender love and sex is a psychological disorder and perversion. That it can be cured with therapy. I took them to task for their regressive and discriminatory beliefs.

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43 minutes ago, Rani said:

That is sad. How far are we going to go with categories? It's a never ending circle. Someone recently told me same gender love and sex is a psychological disorder and perversion. That it can be cured with therapy. I took them to task for their regressive and discriminatory beliefs.

Good on you for voicing your disagreement with that ignorant person. On a hopeful note, the Arizona state senate is considering a bill to outlaw conversion therapy, so no more children will be harmed by this practice which you rightly denounce as quackery.

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On ‎31‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 8:08 PM, ChemFem said:

Good on you for voicing your disagreement with that ignorant person. On a hopeful note, the Arizona state senate is considering a bill to outlaw conversion therapy, so no more children will be harmed by this practice which you rightly denounce as quackery.

That's great ChemFem.  Sometimes I feel like we're going back backwards then forwards sometimes. I know in Texas there was some court case about  benefits being denied to same sex couples but not sure of the details. IN Brazil they went from same sex marriage to now saying conversion therapy can be allowed.

I am glad Arizona is going in the right direction. :) It was on a fb group and she apologised because others called her out. It didn't seem genuine. What bothered me was the lack of response by others. There were few who came forward but me and a lesbian girl were disappointed by the lack of response on this liberal page. Had it been about race/religious minorities there would have been more response .Instead after the apology people were saying she is from a culture where it is not accepted and she is moving in right direction.
It is not good enough. the bar is set too low when it comes to discrimination against same sex couples.

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Homophobia is the same as racism, we haven't managed to irradicate that and likely never will completly, but look how far the world has come since the 1960's. I know it's a hard battle and to feel there is always a chance of facing personal dicrimination is horrible but the world is learning, it us accepting slowly, but sadly all of the lgbt community of this era are the ones facing the change and the resistance to those changes.

Love will win, it will just take time,

We stand strong and true to who and what we are and the world will eventually bend to our force xx

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i recently took part in aconversation between women and heard something i never heard before and tops almost everything else i have heard in this topic!for me at least 

we were talking about sex of course and of course i took the conversation in lesbian sex :P So i heard that sex between two women is ok and acceptable and more "normal" but between two men not at all.I am not going to say what words they used because they were more than cruel.I didn't understand the way they think because they were talking only about the sexual aspect of the matter and how it's not "normal" I tried to make them see the wrong in their thinking for a while but if someone can't see further than their closed minds i don't care more either and i am not going to try to change them and ruin my mood 

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There will always be those people who are homophobic.  And really, I would guess that for a lot of them, part of the problem is how closely same-sex attraction hits home.  It's probably a scary notion for them, when they've been raised to believe it's bad, but they might have some of those feelings.  They might use a very public platform and shout from the rooftops to announce their heterosexuality.  But as they say, she doth protest too much.

At this point I just assume most of them are closet gays, and try to show a more positive side of homosexuality.  I don't hide mine.  I see patients in my office, and I have a picture of my girlfriend and me in there.  

This kind of homophobia is part of why I feel it's important to be out and just enjoy holding hands in public with my girlfriend or take our kids out together or whatever.  The more people see that we're just like anyone else and certainly not evil, the better in the long run.

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